extreme lethargy

[theshaman]

Do you think i can take stimulant x to combat the lethargy that im getting off of Epistane? Or is there something else besides suckin it up?

[BigBuilder]

I would say start with Bcomplex 100mg, 4-6grams Taurine, and PLENTY OF WATER! Dr D mentioned the water to me on another forum and believe me it helped!

I take 100mg caffeine Pre WO only.

[theshaman]

I would say start with Bcomplex 100mg, 4-6grams Taurine, and PLENTY OF WATER! Dr D mentioned the water to me on another forum and believe me it helped!

I take 100mg caffeine Pre WO only.
[/b]

Wow. I already drink 2 gallons. Ill get some bulk taurine today and try that. I have some bcomp so ill give it a whirl.

[nunes]

I think that your estrogen level is too low and that whats causing the lethargy,maybe the only solution is pulse epistane,but DrD may have another solution ,wait for is answer.

[theshaman]

I think that your estrogen level is too low and that whats causing the lethargy,maybe the only solution is pulse epistane,but DrD may have another solution ,wait for is answer.
[/b]

i am in the middle of a phera-epi bridge cycle, not really wanting to pulse if i am in the middle of the log either. (kaz trisorbagen log) estrogen is energy???????

[nunes]

i am in the middle of a phera-epi bridge cycle, not really wanting to pulse if i am in the middle of the log either. (kaz trisorbagen log) estrogen is energy???????
[/b]

Having a low estrogen level is the cause of strong lethargy(I read this in the book Anabolics 2007 by William Llewellyn ).
Not everything in estrogens is bad , but as I said wait for D response.

[theshaman]

well before he responds i want to throw in here that i bought Superdrol-NG and want to stack with epi...thought this will boost energy also...

[BigBuilder]

Wow. I already drink 2 gallons. Ill get some bulk taurine today and try that. I have some bcomp so ill give it a whirl.
[/b]

Obviously have the water issue covered. :blink:
How is you vitamin intake? (B vitamins)

[theshaman]

Obviously have the water issue covered. :blink:
How is you vitamin intake? (B vitamins)
[/b]

I take
30mg b6
250mg b12
300mg b7
30 mg b1

alright...i pretty much take orange triad.

i have some b complex but havent taken it because of OT

[nunes]

I take
30mg b6
250mg b12
300mg b7
30 mg b1

alright...i pretty much take orange triad.

i have some b complex but havent taken it because of OT
[/b]

In the book this is called "steroid lethargy" and the reason is that estrogens plays an important supporting role in the activity of seratonin.Seratonin is a neurotransmitter vital to mental alerteness and is associated whith chronic fatigue syndrome ,estrogen suppression is associated with fatigue and epi. is a strong estrogen surpressor so I think this kind of anabolic is better to be pulsed.
well I think we need DrD...

[Dr.D]

well before he responds i want to throw in here that i bought Superdrol-NG and want to stack with epi...thought this will boost energy also...
[/b]

Yes, NG would likely be a good fix, because it contains ingredients that are almost tailored for this purpose. When estro levels are too low, I also like to supplement with Ginseng. Not nearly as good for acute fatigue as NG, but great for endurance.

[Dr.D]

In the book this is called "steroid lethargy" and the reason is that estrogens plays an important supporting role in the activity of seratonin.Seratonin is a neurotransmitter vital to mental alerteness and is associated whith chronic fatigue syndrome ,estrogen suppression is associated with fatigue and epi. is a strong estrogen surpressor so I think this kind of anabolic is better to be pulsed.
well I think we need DrD...
[/b]

I suspect that epi boosts neurotransmitters somehow, either as a GABA substrate, dopamine upregulator, pro-seratonergic or indirect adrenergic, because I get a great anti-depressant effect from it that is quite unique. It is a mellow, attenuated feeling, yet positive and activating with no fatique. For some, I can see how excessive seratoneric or GABA activity may be sedative, but if you're normally under extra stress you might think it's great! Caffeine or a high potency Ginkgo extract can overcome excessive GABA activity.

[nunes]

I suspect that epi boosts neurotransmitters somehow, either as a GABA substrate, dopamine upregulator, pro-seratonergic or indirect adrenergic, because I get a great anti-depressant effect from it that is quite unique. It is a mellow, attenuated feeling, yet positive and activating with no fatique. For some, I can see how excessive seratoneric or GABA activity may be sedative, but if you're normally under extra stress you might think it's great! Caffeine or a high potency Ginkgo extract can overcome excessive GABA activity.
[/b]

DrD IS THE MAN

[superdrollover]

Yes, NG would likely be a good fix, because it contains ingredients that are almost tailored for this purpose. When estro levels are too low, I also like to supplement with Ginseng. Not nearly as good for acute fatigue as NG, but great for endurance.
[/b]

Superdrol-NG would deffinatley fix your problem bro.

[theshaman]

thanks! hope it ships out of np fast, cuz im really tired!!!