So, Ive decided on 3-AD, now I need your thoughts

[ICE]

First of all, I want to say hello. I just found this site a few days ago and this is my 1st post! You guys have a very informative site going on here. Now a little about me:

32 yrs old. 6'2". 255 lbs. ~15 % BF. Currently cutting :angry: Been lifting for longer than I care to remember.
2 previous PH cycles. 1st was 4 weeks of PP & prop. 2nd was 6 wks of Tren.

On the 1st go around, I started bulking after a long, slow cut and I gained alot of size. On the 2nd go around, I gained about 9 lbs but my strength went absolutley crazy!!

I have decided to give 3-AD a try as my 3rd adventure in the PH arena. I just need everyone's thoughts on a few things.

I will be bulking on this next go around. Starting @ 4000 calories and moving up from there. Workout looks like this:

Monday: Chest, triceps, abs
Tuesday: Back, biceps
Wednesday: Off
Thursday: Shoulders, traps, abs
Friday: Biceps, Triceps
Saturday: Legs
Sunday: Off

I would like to see size gains from this cycle of course, but I would also like to see some nice strength increases. I would like to break some PR's. For example, I benched 405 x 1, deadlifted 550 x 1, and squatted 525 x 5 back in febuary during PCT. I would like to see substantial increases on all of these. I've read a lot of logs and I think that this product will do exactly what I'm hoping for.

I'm trying to figure out HOW to run 3-AD. Here are a couple of thoughts so far:

Scenario 1:
4 weeks 3-AD @ 6 caps/day with Mass FX
PCT: aPCT & Retain 2 (maybe throw in HX2)

Scenario 2:
6 weeks 3-AD @ 6 caps/day
PCT: aPCT, Retain 2, Mass FX, HX2

Scenario 3:
4 weeks 3-AD @ 6 caps/day
4 weeks *insert other PH here*
This will be a 7 week cycle. Starting with the 3-AD and overlapping the 4th week with both products. Then finishing with the other PH.
PCT: aPCT, Mass FX, HFX, Retain 2

So what do guys think? Like I said, I would like to gain a decent amount of size, but I also want to see NICE increases in strength. Which do you think would give me better strength increases, Scenario 1 or Scenario 2? To tell you the truth, I am leaning towards Scenario 1 because that would allow me to easily get another cycle in this year. But then again, so would Scenario 2. Scenario 3, not so much. I like to take plenty of time off between cycles. But thats just me.

Anyways, I look forward to what everyone has to say!

ICE

[RuhlKatz]

Welcome! I'm not a formulator or a moderator on the AX site, but i'll tell you what I think. First of all, have you thought of stacking Superdrol-NG, Mass Fx and 3-ad at the same time?? I currently am on that cycle and feel wonderful. Just started my 2nd week. You could do the 3-ad by itself, but based on my experience and what i've read, you would see the alot of gains with 3-ad and say Mass fx stacked as apposed to 3-ad be itself. So, I like Scenario 2, or the "Ruhl" stack of SGNG, MASS FX, 3-ad, and trisorb.

[Joeflex73]

Id have to go scenario 1 or 2, adding another PH wont necessarily make the stack "better". Id also lean more towards 1, while shutdown seems mild, I dont know about 6 a day for 6 weeks. I myself for a 6 weeker am going 4/6/6/6/6/4. Might be an option you might want to think about. Adding Superdrol-NG as a pre w/o kick is also solid too.

[thesinner]

I'd go with scenario 1. Ingredients in MassFX will potentiate the effects of 3-AD. This option will also get you a cycle out of 2 bottles. 6 weeks would take another whole bottle.

[ICE]

Thanks for the fast responses guys! Hey joeflex, just curious, have you run 3-AD before and what do you weigh? Trying to decide about the 6 weeker. I now what you mean about shut down. After tren for 6 weeks (2 weeks @ 60, 4 weeks @ 90) I was pretty shutdow. Plus, the sides were ridiculous.

I'm leaning towards scenario 1. I've read a couple of the 3-AD/Mass FX logs and the loggers are seeing nice gains both in mass and strength. Here is a question, if I run Mass FX along side 3-AD, do I not need some type of test booster in PCT? Or does aPCT contain one and I missed it?

Superdrol-NG preworkout? Hmmmm.....I've seen that one but read nothing about it. Is it a PH? I will have to check it out.

ICE

[TiM]

Welcome to AX, ICE!!

I'd agree with the guys above and go with scenario 1. For a first run at things, I'm always of a mind to go with it solo just to see what it does. But if you wanted to add in the MassFX, that'd kick some major arse as well. I'm currently in week 1 of 6 for my 3-AD cycle, going 4-4-6-6-6 on mine, and adding in MFX during Week 4. (btw: 29, 6'4", 300lbs)

During PCT, you wouldn't need any sort of a test booster. Our aPCT product is an aromatase inhibitor which will gradually increase your test levels through inhibiting its conversion to estrogen. Dosing for it is 4 caps/day, spread evenly throughout the day. Adding in HX2 is an option that many are going with for a little extra kick. The products are slightly similar (both 6-bromo based), but HX2 is a stronger dose. To add that in, go with 3 aPCT/day and 2 HX2 before bed. You'll continue to make gains in strength and size throughout PCT as well!! How can ya argue with that?!?! :P

SDNG is indeed a prohormone, but it is a very mild one mixed with a stimulant. Taking 2 caps pre-w/o only won't be giving you the PH effects, but will provide that nice boost of clean, crash-less energy. SDNG is being discontinued, so we don't have it for sale directly here anymore. But, check around and you'll still find it at your favorite online retailers!

[gltrdone83]

:welcome: to the AX forum!

I would go with scenario 1. You should see some awesome strength and mass gains from 3-AD and Mass FX during a bulk cycle. I'm currently running the same stack but I'm on a recomp and strength gains are insane!

[Scheizekopf]

I'd go with scenario 1. Ingredients in MassFX will potentiate the effects of 3-AD. This option will also get you a cycle out of 2 bottles. 6 weeks would take another whole bottle.
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I like scenario 1 also!

[UNCnate]

Scenario 1 FTW!

[TTewell]

I like scenario 1 also! I think Mass FX would be better off if used with 3-AD than it would be in PCT. If you do plan on running a 2nd PH, you could run Superdrol NG every day or just use it as a pre workout booster!

[adawg]

Agreed Scenario 1 is the best option.

[ICE]

Ladies and Gentlemen.....due to the overwhelming response....we have a winner.....drum role please......SCENARIO 1 WINS!!!!

I have used HX2 and the original Mass FX as PCT and continued to see very nice increases in strength throughout. I have also run a 8 weeker of HX2 and the original Mass FX and for a non hormonal stack, I gotta say it was great!! From what I've read the new Mass FX should be pretty nice.

I plan on starting this stack on 7/8/08. The only problem I can forsee is that I will be bulking during the hot, hot days of summer in the south :(

I will keep you guys posted.


ICE

[thesinner]

very cool.

And please, keep us updated. Always love to hear/see our fellow "AX-holes" getting their results.

[TTewell]

Good luck big guy!

[adawg]

Good Luck man, let us know if your going to log it.